We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. Ima go with byonder. At the very least, it will be a stalemate. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. s. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. the spectre with the presence backing. Jan 1, 2019. That being said, I'm fairly certain that Thanos and the Beyonder take this. TOAA is omnipotent. 5 years ago. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. PR Beyonder Stomps. it would be mostly stalemate. Searching. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. I dunno. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. 9 years ago. In other words, every individual hero, villain, plant, animal and atom is just a part of TOAA, but TOAA is also more than the summation of all of these. No . Situation 2:DC easily takes this, just because of the existence of characters like Lucifer, Superman Prime, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor and Manhattan. So you just put Anti-Monitor against the guy. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. Hajun via feats and implied power. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 7 years ago. 1. [11] The One-Above-All is the sole creator of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse and possibly the Omniverse. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. This is a simple fight. -Everything in bleach. Beyonder is beyond the universe. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. Comics . Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. ago. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". 11 years agoR1: TOAA Celestial vs Full Powered Entity R2: WPOTC vs Full Powered Entity R3: Galactus vs Full Powered Entity Bonus: All 3 of them at maximum power vs Full Powered Entity with the help of a Beyonder. . 1 Less Powerful: Odin. So with all of that said, I say they tie after the others die. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. 11 years ago. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. The Beyonder in. Sppople. Comet is a Fun & Gaming Community where you can enjoy benefits for free! Daily giveaways, custom games currency | 5348 memberscalling themselves "God" (an Artist) and the "Collaborator" (the Writer) I presume TOAA. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). 8 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. It's impossible that 2 truly omnipotents co-exist in the same universe. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. Beyonder Doom 14. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). They are a weaker subsection of the Beyonder race that is nowhere near as powerful as the army that defeated the abstracts of the multiverse. 0. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. beyonder Yep, lol. ago. Beyonder stomps. Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. Knowledge of the other character/verse: No prior knowledge of each other. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. NULL_Terrorist. . Beyonder Doom 14. #28 ovy7. . Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. [12] He is also. Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. Yeah All Mighty Wins. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. Requiring no energies to sustain him as Galactus does, Oblivion can choose not to be affected by the mortal plane if he doesn't want to be, a feat that few - including Galactus - cannot claim. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. I see no one equal to the gods of DC and Marvel: The Presence and The One Above All. Follow 4160. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. The. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). One Universe of a difference. Jan 29, 2017. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. Beyonder trivially. Loki God Of Stories 17. The power of love is said to be a threat. Khael. Writers later on depowered The Beyonder, which resulted with other versions. TOAA will absolutely win as he represent the writers/Stan Lee/Jack Kirby but its interesting to note how similar origin is Primal/Over monitor & Pre recton Beyonder is , Beyonder was million times. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Stalemate. They are god of their own comics. Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. 8 years ago. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. 1%. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. #1. Max Deen. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Here is the NEW Presence vs TOAA thread. Viners voted on it. Beyonder for the curbstomp. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated. Premium Powerups . She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. And yeah he stomps. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. ago. In his few appearances, he took the appearance of Jack Kirby. Beyonder is marvel. TOAA has no powers. Forum Posts. Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. This being, LT is the physical representation of the Will of God, nothing. There are two camps or the Presence vs TOAA fight. and it can be said so is spectre. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. fangirl101. Pre-retcon Beyonder. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. The Glory is an infinite-dimensional temporal construct that holds the infinite dimensional multiverse in Doctor Who together. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. “INTO THE OCEAN OF REALITY YOU HAVE CROSSED DIMENSIONAL PLANES. s. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. Conditions: Everyone except TOAA. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. 2. Alien X with Ascalon vs Phoenix Force fused with Captain Universe and has. 493. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. Or Melkor rebelling against eru. This. 4. Both have absolute 100% control. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. Minstry_of_pain. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. Rorschach vs Dr. Didnt the latest showing of TOAA makes it clear that HOTU was a small portion of TOAA's power? I say the Beyonder still wins, only TOAA can defeat him. No prep for either. 7. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. 9 years. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. he is on my list of people who need to never appear in the Battle Threads again. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. So I might be missing something. The One Above All is literally God. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. 5 T. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. -5. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. #33 Edited By The_Scourge. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. He even has some degree of control over it (like when he merged with Vulcan as a being of pure energy to give Vulcan the power he needed). TOAA is a god for gods. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Spectre is backed by the Presence, he regularly gets owned by lesser beings. #7. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. Manhattan's league. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Jack Kline can’t do shit. TOAA is the creator of the multiverse and everyone and everything in it, including the Beyonders. beyonder Yep, lol. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. . PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. M. Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. Homelander has Outerversal AP. He is the most powerful creation in all of Marvel, if not fiction. Same goes for Jean's human parents. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Beyonder vs Everyone else in Marvel . So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. Ahl God Of Superheroes. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. the spectre with the presence backing. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Register Sign in. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. TOAA is above all. Beyonder vs The Celestials. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. #28 ovy7. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. Khorne. Team Beyoder: Living Tribunal. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. So if you have proof of this go to the content revision section. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. s. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. . the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. They can literally do whatever they want. beyonder Yep, lol. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. If he was defeated then he’s not the. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. TOAA remains TOAA and this object will still not. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. Jayfournines. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. I think the idea. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. @majestic99. #1 KingOfAsh. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. Beyonder = tier 2 being at absolute most. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Forum Posts. 567. Follow 1627. Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. Same with Beyonder and TOAA. Oldfather 18. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. 115 26. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. Forum Posts. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. He stomps all round. given TOAA's omnipotence is dependent on certain factors he's not a true omnipotent and doesn't have better feats than pre recton Beyonder, so being toaa or not wouldn't matterIs the Beyonder's anti-feat considered and do we take "omnipotence" at face value? Is Above All Others considered to be the same character as The One Above All, giving this entity an anti-feat? For the most part, I'd say TOAA is even beyond The Pre-Retcon Beyonder, but I can see arguments for why this isn't the case, or arguments for them. Neither of. 1. 33. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. 0. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. . Probably thanos as he seemed to. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. Wiki Points. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. Beyonders killed LT and destroyed countless universes. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. Aug 10, 2018Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the strongest here , he was basically the original TOAA before he got retconned , HOTU made Thanos second to TOAA & he was still manipulated by TOAA during the events of HOTUAnti-Monitor consistently gets knocked around by Kryptonians. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. Definitely Beyonder. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. Divine Creator 3. 0. 3 K The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. Loki God Of Stories 17. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. vs. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. Juntai. PR Beyonder > TOAA and all His/Its Omniverse Beyonder may have been from outside the Marvel multiverse, however he is still a Marvel property and would come under the jurisdiction of Marvels supreme being.